I'm so bored with birthers....they've LOST EVERY SINGLE CASE THAT HAS GONE BEFORE ANY KIND OF COURT since they began squacking about President Obama and still, after each loss, it's APPEAL!!! REFILE!!! CALL THE POLICE!!! I mean, it's stupid!!!! President Obama will be re-elected.

I'm sorry, birthers, but you really should calm down and try not to be so skittish about the scary black man in YOUR White House (snark!!!)

Dumb ass birfers..........

JAY HG, what you say is true, the birthers have lost every case that has been brought, but, as in this case, not on the merits of their arguments, but on tehnicalities. Obama, very simply is not eligible, period. According to the controlling Supreme Court case, Minor v. Happersett, one must have 2 citizen parents. Obamas father was not a citizen, and at that point, the argument should be over. His birth certificate is moot. Means nothing, nada, zilch! It's just a smokescren. Repeating, 2 CITIZEN PARENTS, NOT ONE! And, for that very same reason, the republican new "rave" boy, Marco Rubio is not eligible, because he was born in 1971, and his parents did not even APLY for citizenship until 1975, HE ALSO, IS NOT ELIGIBLE!

d rash: When the assertions and arguments have no basis in fact (reality) or logic, always claim the case was lost because of "technicalities". It might be comforting to you to hide behind this subterfuge, but please rejoin reality. "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck" and quacks like a quack lawyer, it must be Abruzzo.

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875)?? d rash, what the heck are you talking about?

Try United States V. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898) which held that virtually everyone born in the US is a US citizen. [ "Jus soli" - Latin. right of the soil]

Minor v. Happersett was a case regarding women's suffrage (ruled that women were not allowed to vote), which was overruled by the Nineteenth Amendment in 1920 and updated by interpretations of the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

I wish the justice system would just put an end to these birthers and say enough is enough already and tell them to get a life and treatment for their mental disorder. We all get it they don't like our President, to bad, deal with it and move on.

d rash: Good try, but Minor v. Happersett also states, "The court observed that some authorities 'include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.'"

So, are you lying, or just to stupid to read the entire decision?

Stupid? Obama has broken the law he is not a citizen and that's stupid. Talk to any Cuban and ask them what they think of Obama.... If you were intelligent enough to understand history you would see what is really happening to this country.

it is very disappointing to me to read how so many people who have left comments have given up the fight for our country. Either you are sucking off the system or you live in a bubble of disbelief of what Obama is doing to our country.

Wake up before it is too late and educate yourself.

Obama Lied and continues to LIE and is not a citizen. He also claims he is a Christian... Which he is not. If he where a Christian he would not have created a bill as a junior senator that would allow late term aborted babies to suffer and die in the bottom of a trash can. He initiated a bill that prevents any medical professional from administering medical care to these helpless babies who suffer and die.

What is wrong with you people? Have you no idea what Obama has done and is doing to our country?

Look up NDAA and see what Obama this dictator has done to control us. He has given himself the right to detain us at his will with no trial.

HE IS A DICTATOR and all of you nay sayers don't know your facts.

United State Constitution.

d rash: The part of Minor v. Happersett that is usually referred to says this:
"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. " (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162).

The wording is not exclusionary, just inclusionary. There is no doubt that if both parents are citizens, then the child is a citizen. NOT that most parents must be citizens for the child to be a citizen.

Still if you want to quote a case that was used to deny women the right to vote, well, be my guest.

D. Rash...one more time. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.

Hawaii is a state. I checked it out, it really is true. In the country, one parent of US origin. His mother is a US citizen.
OK, you can continue the birther claims. I certainly didn't want to confuse your beliefs with FACTS.

If there were no question as to Obama's eligibility he wouldn't have held his birth certificate, passport, school records, Selective Service certificate, etc. under lock and key for so long, spending over a million dollars to do so. Why the secrecy? We have a right to know all these things about our presidents. He now comes out with a phony BC and Selective Service record because he believes that now that he's been in office for 3 1/2 years it's too late to do anything about it. He may be right. What a sneaky, underhanded, unethical way to get and keep power!

Talk about How JUDGES can be bought ,here is a good example.
Looks like , " WE THE PEOPLE " Better step up to the plate.NOW.

This is the primary ballot.

If someone decides to run against the president, they can by getting their name added.

No gun. Your conclusion is in error. The DNC can, following rules, add another candidate's name.

You're NUTS!

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING

I agree.....Everyone who could stand up and demand Obama present his valid birth certificate to prove his eligibility for the Presidency has refused to acknowledge the evidence presented before them....They are all Cowards or they are all accomplishes in the biggest deceit in history upon the American people!

No we're not. There are only a few our you lunatics running around so I think we're pretty safe.

First of all, Obama is NOT the POTUS, not by a long shot!! He, and all his cronies, as in A.C.O.R.N., union scum, illegal aliens, and other morons, helped this impostor, liar, schemer, manipulator, usurper, and fraud to CHEAT his way into office. Do any of you people honestly believe for one minute that the majority of voters in this country elected an illegal & ineligible black homosexual Muslim fraud who was born in Kenya, with a name like Barack Hussein Obama?? If so, then I'm the Pope, because I say so, so that makes it absolutely the truth!!

Obama will NEVER, EVER produce and show the Birth Certificate that he CLAIMS he has in that Hawaiian vault, guarded by his pit bulls. You know why? Because there isn't one in there at all. He can't produce it because it simply does NOT exist. He has no American birth certificate because he was NOT born in America. Plain and simple. The courts are letting him slide for some HIDDEN, SECRET, and ULTERIOR reason, something they are hiding from the all of us.

This is such a sham & travesty of justice, especially when ALL other Presidential candidates have had to produce a valid, legitimate, and legal birth certificate, all except for this parasite.

If I ran for President I would absolutely produce my birth certificate in a heartbeat without reservation, hesitation, or procrastination because I was born here & damn proud of it!! I'm a true blue American born patriot!! It's so obvious Obama is a FRAUD through and through!

old one, your words smell of old bigoted excuses hidden behind the perception of one who cares. We the people are and will be fine as long as we have dialogue and accept prudent court decisions

try not to embarrass yourself

Just admit it. You're terribly irritated that President Obama is half black. And you can't stand that this upstanding black family is living in YOUR White House. It's made you people delusional.

We the People had no say when Bush was appointed President by the Supreme Court.

@Kim Russell:
There is SOOOO much incorrect and just plainly bigoted about your rant, that I can't address it all here. Let me just ask this question.
Do you really think that a GOP run Congress, with all the power to allocate money to any investigation that they deem advantageous, would have let Obama take or remain in office without being vetted and cleared? Congress can direct the FBI or NSA to investigate and give that agency all the money it needs to come to truth. WHY would they have let President Obama stay for four years if there was a snowballs chance that his paperwork wa not in order?
If you think the GOP is that corrupt -- to ignore solid proof of someone serving who is NOT a citizen -- you are a fool.
If you think the birth cert is forged, you're a moron.
If not, you're just a troll and need to get off serious discussion boards.

For the love of God Kim, stop...just STOP! Have you no pride or sense of shame? You're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself.

What the judge is saying is that the nonsense promoted by the idiot birthers cannot be used to remove President Obama's name from the ballot, nothing more.

Go take your meds.

It is presumed that the DNC or the RNC will select the sitting president as their candidate - your faux rage is annoying.

Hey Kim Russel, whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, you are talking about the Commander in Chief. Since when is it okay to speak that way about the President?! It's NOT. You should be arrested and tried for treason. You whine and moan and try to claim you are a bigger patriot and a truer American than the rest of us, but all you are doing is weakening the U.S.A. If you don't like it - LEAVE. Go live in Afghanistan - then you'll truly have something to whine about. You are a disgusting, un-American, racist, uneducated fool. Shame on you, and shame on the rest of the anti-Americans on here (like you, Old One). Shame on you. And, by the way, why don't you ask Admiral Will McRaven - head of America's Special Operations Forces - the guys who KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN - what he thinks of President Obama? He has stated repeatedly that the President displays the kind of leadership you'd expect from someone with 30 years in the military. Don't believe that? Look it up. (Oh, but you'll say it's a "lie" published by the "lamestream" media, right?) You are the human equivalent of a child with it's fingers in it's ears going "nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!" Pathetic.

Liberal Judges .... supported by George Soros and friends ... we will never get a true unbiased ruling as long as all the judges are so liberal. America is doomed by the media and the courts. Who cares where Obama is from. It's the awful things he is doing to this country that is the problem. I can't believe that people are still blaming George Bush. Get over it and blame the man in Washington. And please all you liberals ... see if you can manage to discuss things without name calling. When you are at a loss for words, you start trying to bring others down to your level by calling them names.

@ call it like i see it: it's ok to talk about the commander in chief that way because of the Constitution of our country...if you think someone should be tried for treason because they voice their opinion (not that I agree with it) suggests maybe you should go live in Afghanistan, because you obviously don't value the rights of our country. Whether you agree with the opinions or not, you shouldn't try to supress another's freedom of speech.

Hey Old... you might as well just kill yourself and get over it. The United States has gone to hell in a handbasket. The sky is falling!!! Has your head exploded yet?
Keep listening to that hate radio. Keep gobbling up all that nonsense and radical hatred. The rest of us normal people will live our lives and re-elect President Obama.

So, are all you birthers saying that the Bush State Department fell down on the job when it accepted the evidence provided to establish Obama's citizenship? Is this the only area where you all will actually admit that it is Bush's fault? Not to mention that the law you all are siting to disqualify Obama (father was not a citizen) is so antiquated that no one has cited it for decades, if not a century. But you all want to all of a sudden pull it out your a$$e$ to try to discredit the black man in the white house. Probably half of you would not quality as natural born citizens under this rule.

The Judge said Obama AS PRESIDENT is on the ballot. Go back to school and learn reading comprehension.

@Leigh. Sorry, but the President deserves respect, whether or not we voted for him or agree with him. The Constitution gives us the right to use free speech to voice our opposition. However, the likes of Kim Russell cross over into hate speech and their language is treasonous; they encourage overthrow of our democratic government. That's treason. Also, I've been to Afghanistan and I know first hand how lucky we are in America. It saddens me how so many people here think they have it so bad. Sure, we have some problems (most of the ones we're currently facing were inherited by the current President from his predecessor, or are caused by forces beyond his control - like the price of gasoline), but at least most of us get to eat every day and have roofs over our head; let alone the luxury of having a computer and the Internet! Whiners like Kim Russell take America and its freedoms for granted. That is un-American. Take your racist, treasonous hatred somewhere else!

d rash: In spite of what you and your loony friends think, Minor v. Happerset is not the controlling case. They are Lynch v. Clark and Perkins v. Elg. In addition, there are a number of administrative rulings that contradict what you are claiming. Try to deal with reality, as hard as that might be for you.

Romney's father (George Romney) was born in Mexico and he ran for President in 1968. Funny how nobody was filing lawsuits than.

Please don't embarrass yourself Lisa.... McCain was born in Panama because his father was a Naval officer stationed there... Surely you are aware that children born to American serviceman born anywhere in the world are American citizens, you twit..., I mean my god woman...

The Constitution does not define "Natural Born Citizen" The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen.

Consequently various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.[1]

Kinda simple huh?

Yes! Exactly! McCain was born in Panama. Never questioned about it. Never asked about his grades in school either. These Birthers must be on drugs! Why would a white, American woman travel to a small village in Kenya to have her baby?

Steve,

So is every other child born to an US citizen in another country. There is no special rule for our American servicemen and servicewomen. If you are the child of a US citizen you are a US citizen.

Hey Lisa:

Get a clue and read the requirements for becoming President.McCain was and DID meet the requirements.

Steve - people born of American mothers regardless of the place of birth are also American citizens - there's actually little to no difference in the law. That's were the birthers lose. Obama is an American citizen. He was born to an American in Hawaii, a state in the US. Those that continue with their ridiculous rants are just that, ridiculous.

Lisa Democrats raised the issue of John McCains eligibility as he was born in the Canal Zone while his father was serving tn the military and had a congressional investigation before acknowledging he was a valid candidate. Do your homework.

I think you hit the nail on the head. It just never hit Mr Smith there unfortunately

uh Hate to get into this but Panama at the time of McCain's birth was US soil. So your argument is thatsince Obama is half black WHITE laws dont apply to him?

Amen. These people are the epitomy of what is really WRONG with this country.

Mr. Russel: Modern medicine has developed drugs that can help people like you deal with their delusions. I would urge you to see a doctor and take advantage of them.

Man of color........ I am sick of the race card... He is half white....
Is that how you shut people down for their thoughts with the race card?
Did you hear about the NDAA? Or should we not talk about it because Obama's black and he is excused because he uses the race card?
How do you like your CHANGE? I don't have any change because I am paying for the huge debit him and Pellosi put us into. Wake up we are losing our country.

Please drop ¨ the man of color¨ rethoric..color has nothing to do with his ineptitude to govern, he could be blue and born in Thailand for all care...Obama has spent his first three years in Office blaming the Bush Ad., spending money like a drunk sailor. He is a populist President, and would love to see us all being government dependent..Wake up people!! the more we get for free the less we will do for ourselves..sad it is but that is what socialists do..they depend on the stupidity and ignorance of the people so they can rule you ..

I wonder if these people think. Why would a white, American woman travel to a small village in Kenya to have her baby. Makes NO sense!!!

"And when you said it has to do with race, people are ready to jump all over you and say there is no racism in America"

Nancy, it has NOTHING to do with race. It has EVERYTHING to do with what Obama thinks.

It's not November yet. I wouldn't order the champagne yet if I were you. :)

Exactly! But they will never admit it!

Duh, she went to Kenya and had the baby because his father was from Kenya and they brag that he was born there. Then she married a muslim and he adopted him as Barry and he went to a school that was all muslim religion teachings just like a catholic school is and came back as a foreign student. That much has been documented. So what part of that is racist???

@Sally All of it because they are all lies~! And Teapartiers are abusing the justice system in going back to the same issue over and over. I don't want my taxes to be spent on this stupidity!

@Sally. Duh, what part of that is true? nothing?

Sally- I hope that you have not bred any more humans to inculcate with your hideousness.

It has nothing to do with race. It never did. But it does have everything to do with Obama's politics, which simply suck.

The only racists here are people who insist anyone who disagrees with Obama's leftist crap must be racist, because there's no other possible reason one would loathe this horrible president. Right? lol!

I can not for the life of me understand these people. To become President or to hold other public office, the F.B.I. investigates the person. I myself once worked in the Office of the Mayor. In order to get that job, I was investigated, fingerprinted, had to take an oath on the Bible that I would be loyal to the Mayor, The City of New York, the State of New York, and to the United States of America. How do these Birthers think the President of the USA is not investigated to hold the highest office of the land???

Sandra, I have always thought the same thing. Years ago I applied to work for a local police department. I had to fill out an 11-page form which asked for such things as the name of the ship on which my immigrant parents came to the USA!

And these idiots think that the President wasn't vetted? Especially by his opponents?

You're absolutely right Sandra. Do they honestly believe that if there was any dirt on Obama that the Clintons and the McCains wouldn't have found it and used it to their advantage? The rubes that buy the "he wasn't vetted" nonsense are stupid beyond belief.

I have a question about this. If you were going to the power company to prove that you had the right to turn on the power at your new home, would you go into the office without any documentation proving what you were claiming?

That is so true. I am sick to death of listening to these morons. Please get a life, it is unfortuanate for them that the President will again be President. He is brilliant, Romney can't hold a candle.

Amen, Amen and Amen!!!

Half-black...half white. I dislike both halves of him. I personally don't care at this point if he was born on Mars. He's in office and is a socialist at his core. He is bad for this country.
Also, voting for him BECAUSE of his race makes one just as much a racist as someone refusing to vote for him because of it and anyone who would vote for him or against him (or anyone, for that matter) because of race instead of credentials is an idiot.

If he is socialist does that make Mitt a fascist?

No, it doesn't make Mitt a fascist. That term would also be applicable to Nobama. But it's good you ask...you can't learn if you don't ask.

@Leigh:
Christ never asked for payment for healing the sick and afflicted.
He fed hundreds without asking them to prove they had looked for work or were drug free.
He was anti-war, anti-violence and accepted that taxes must be paid.
He lived in a communal group, and believed that women had a place among men.

Socialist Socialist SOCIALIST!! Oh wait... we call that Christian now, don't we?

Leigh - enlighten us all, please. What specifically has the President done that makes him "socialist at his core"? Just one piece of legislation to justify your (foolish) claim will suffice. Just curious if you can back up your diatribe with any factual information.

Hmm what issue , if there is a birth certificate may we see the untampered one? lol Wonder how much trouble a white citizen would be in if they refused to hand over their drivers license upon request from police.LOL Guys snap to we give the DOCUMENTS so we the people represented by the government MAY KNOW if the person is legal.

OMG LEIGH! How is it possible to be both a Socialist AND a Fascist? Did you EVER take a poli sci course, or are you just repeating all the spew from Beck and Fox in general?

Leigh, you can't be both a fascist and a socialist. Get the dictionary out please. He's neither.

@ Miriam:
I hope you are not comparing Nobama to Jesus. If so, it would be pointless to argue with you because you are beyond hope. And while Jesus fed the multitudes on several occasions and healed the sick, it also says in the Bible in 2 Thessalonians “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” I do not discount that we should pay taxes, but we should ALL pay taxes. Currently less than half of people pay income tax and an increasingly large number are receiving refunds for more than they pay in, that is redistribution of wealth and rewards laziness. But lets look further at the Bible since you brought it up; in the Bible, land owners were instructed not to rape the fields and to leave some of the fruits so that the poor could come and collect some for their needs. They were not instructed to pick it and deliver it to those who wouldn't work to get it.

Here is one definition of socialism: a theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means or production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole (redistribution of wealth is an example...and Nobama is an advocate of this)

here is one for fascism: A governmental system with strong centralized power, controlling all affairs of the nation (government mandated health care would be an example here...)

@miriam, yes, I did take a poli sci class...did you? Because to assume one can't have traits of both is foolish.
@jilli...are those sufficient?

Rutherford...NO, it makes Mitt a Capitalist. We are slowly becoming a Euro-style Socialist country. I don't know about the rest of you, but I will fight to the end to prevent this from happening. We need a change in the White House...and, not because of color, but because of ideology.

Socialism and fascism are each forms of statism, forms of government in which the government is given complete or extensive control over the lives of its citizens. It's easy to say they are different from each other from a superficial view, but when you compare them to, say...capitalism: the social system in which all property is privately owned, and the government's function is restricted to the protection of individual rights, you see that socialism and fascism are, in fact, related.

Sorry to burst your bubbles...

That meme's getting old. Is that what you're going to say when Obama loses? Is it because you are so racist you don't think a minority should be judged for their beliefs and actions, or just by the color of their skin?

I guarantee all the white people who voted Obama into office initially weren't racist. When many of them vote him OUT in November, will you say they suddenly went KKK and starched their white sheets?

He's half white... So he can break the law because he is half black? Please help me understand this... So it's ok that he lied and will not show anyone his birth records?
Isn't that excuse a little old? Why when a white person is killed by a black person Al Sharpton (Tawana Brawly) isn't out protesting. We will see a race war in this country in our lifetime.......

@Leigh

Obviously, you flunked your PoliSci 101 course. 'Statism' includes ALL forms of government, throughout ALL of human history. There can be no government which is not 'statist' unless it's a government which does not govern, i.e., it has no authority over the human beings over whom it claims to govern. The government of Somalia is an example of a government which is not 'statist'; but, interestingly, the anarchy which arises in such a situation, the autocratic rule of those with the most firepower and of those who are most willing to employ such firepower to murder with abandon is precisely the sort of heaven on earth that morally depraved mental patients such as yourself demand FOR YOURSELVES here in the United States of America (which would in no way BE the 'United States' in such a lunatic nightmare.

Personally, I do not care what race is in the office. It is not a matter of race, but a matter of legality. I am saddened that too many people turn this into a race issue when it is not. The office of President should unify the country. Over the course of my life, the men who have held that office seem to spiral the country even further into division.

So are you!

And you are an accident of birth. Poor gene.

That's intelligent

So you mean Saddam? Your an idiot.

Why would a white, American woman travel to a small village in Kenya to have her baby? Makes no sense at all!!!

UH then where is the untampered birth certificate? Wouldnt you think that if it existed a person holding the office of President would produce it . Do you really want a person holding the office of Presidency to NOT SHOW an untampered birth certificate.

What expert has declared it 'tampered'?

Good? What a joke that is! Another slimeball sitting in the Oval Office again.... a liar and a fraud.

Thank you Ramiro, and as for John Paul Jones.... You might be thinking of the last president...you know that idiot slimeball and all his cronies..... that put this country in the crapper, grabed billions and screwed over all of us.... your remember prez george.. don't you John

He's not a good president...he is a great campaigner, a slick politician, and a wonderful husband & father. But, he is a far-left, Socialist/Marxist thinker. The people on here that don't like him, know this. And, those of you that think it's color. Get beyond it, would you??!! It's not hatred for him...only hatred for the direction that he's taking our country. And, those of you who are so 'in love' with him, are NOT paying attention. Believe me...that's what his administration is counting on...that half of the population is NOT paying attention. You will vote for him, despite all the disingenuous things that the WH & Co. are spinning. Why doesn't he do somethng about the deficit that he has piled up, more than any other president...ever???

Mr. Jones - if you label Pres. Obama as a "liar and a fraud" - how about providing some factual basis for that claim.

Also, if this President is a "liar and a fraud", what label do you apply to GW Bush who is a documented liar - who lied to start the Iraq war. What is your label for Mr. Bush?

jwagz. Obama is not even close to being far-left. He's a centrist progressive. If you'd look at some of the legislation he's signed and supported you'd understand that. And combining Socialist and Marxist is an oxymoron.

@Kevin Farnsworth

Correct...mostly. I wouldn't even call him progressive. He seems to me to be a slightly liberal moderate centrist. In fact, I consider him to be the best Republican candidate we could possibly field for the presidency.

Now, he does seem to want to return us to a time before the intellectual corruption of the Republican Party by the 'trickle-down' absurdity...to a time when the average person in the top 1% took 25 times the yearly income of the average person in the bottom 50%, instead of taking 100 times the income of the average person in the bottom 50% as is the case today. On the other hand, we had a society which worked then and which is increasingly untenable today, precisely because of the massive (an accelerating) increase in income inequality, so it's not difficult to appreciate his points on the subject.

For example, unless one believes that we must be a society in which survival of the fittest is the only imperative, a society in which a moment - or day, week, month, year, decade - of economic weakness on the part of an individual must produce his/her death from exposure or starvation, we should, as moral people, support the survival of those who are in need of help. There is no actual or valid reason to have government at all without such an ethic.

@jwagz

I see. So Obama must be destroyed because he has created more debt than any other president ever. Without going too deeply into the history of this nation you could, if you had the mental capacity, quickly discover that two of the last three Republican presidents increased the national debt by an amount greater than any president before them: Reagan and Dubya. In fact, Dubya doubled it, which Obama is not on track to do, even by the end of his second term in office. Reagan left the country with 2.5 times the debt it had when he came into office.

Yeah, a good President who is on a mission to kill the US Constitution and transfer more wealth than ever to the mega banks. I CAN'T BELIEVE how many of you refuse to see what he is up to, just because of this stupid right/left, Republican/Democrat thinking. A good President who sneaks draconian bills through on holidays and have made it illegal to peacefully demonstrate anywhere near him or his friends. Yeah, real good job. And real good job ordering a fake birth certificate to be made. Can't believe the level of denial that is going on.

Sorry buddy .... look in the mirror ... it's just the opposite ... just because some liberal professors made some lame study that was jaded from the beginning. That is such a joke. Even if they wanted to say something positive about conservatives, in most schools, government, and in Hollywood, the would be fired on the spot. I know a professor who says he can say nothing because he would be fired immediately and he needs the job. Liberals have a piece of their brain that doesn't work properly. It's the part that tells us that if we get out and work and are successful that we should not have to give it all to a bunch of lazy crackheads laying at home and waiting for the next government check, food stamps and free cell phone minutes!!

Nice to see you through your hate filled rhetoric into your response about how conservatives are not motivated by hate.

Sally...I'm positive you consider yourself a Christian. You're a fine representative of a good old Compassionate Conservative...and I'm not be sarcastic.

And dang it all, if Sally Marino knows a single professor who feels his speech is constrainted, then it must be a universal truth!!!

I'm sorry, I just keep lmfao at this dialog. The birthers and tea-partiers are SOOO freakin 'stupid! They throw around terms (socialist! communist! natural born citizen!) in a context that proves they have absolutely NO idea what those terms actually mean - they just know that they have been successfully used in the past to demonize, and they so badly want to demonize that dang black guy!!!

And its patently obvious that my brain works a whole lot better than yours.....because you've bought into the fallacy that welfare is the root of this country's problems - when in fact, the GREED that is a problem is the GREED and gambling practiced by the banksters and corporate kings.

@laguna liberal - Good thing you aren't a Christian with this post you made:

11:48 am on Friday, April 13, 2012
"Just admit it. You're terribly irritated that President Obama is half black. And you can't stand that this upstanding black family is living in YOUR White House. It's made you people delusional."

But then, leftists merely hate Christianity and use this as a tool to bash other people they assume must be Christian, gun-toting, Bible hugging, etc. You know, all the things Obama said non-Obama supporters must be.

Obama isn't all bad. The New York Times profile piece on him did say his teachers in his Indonesian madrassa congratulated him on his "excellent" reading of the Koran in Arabic.

But then, Obama isn't Muslim. He said so. He spent 20 years sleeping in the front pew of his self-professed mentor, that paragon of post-racism, the Rev. Wright. Obama claims to "not remember" when the reverend was delivering all those "hate Whitey" speeches from the pulpit.

Yes, Ed, do tell us how non-Obama supporters are [fill in the blank.] It's the last act of desperation before the SS Obama sinks faster than the Titanic in November.

@bookweight

"I'm sorry, I just keep lmfao at this dialog. The birthers and tea-partiers are SOOO freakin 'stupid! They throw around terms (socialist! communist! natural born citizen!) in a context that proves they have absolutely NO idea what those terms actually mean - they just know that they have been successfully used in the past to demonize, and they so badly want to demonize that dang black guy!!!"

I can't imagine why anyone would want to "demonize" communism. Maybe because 100+ MILLION dead people in the 20th century can't be wrong? And that's a (ahem) CONSERVATIVE estimate of how many people have been murdered via communist states.

Leftists are (to coin a phrase) "soooooo stupid!!" And racist to boot.

He won't be much longer........................

You're right John, just 5 more years :)

well at least he's not republican....I can live with that

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
And, Jesus was blue-eyed and blonde.

John, I really think you may be Satan.

Well seeing that the Republican governor of Hawaii said that Obama was born there and I'd love to know where you were hiding for 8 years. Gore got 500,000 more votes than Bush and Bush was sworn in. That's what a usurper is MORON. I suggest you put down the cheap beer and turn off Fox News for awhile.

What's harder to believe?
1. A woman arranged for her son to be born in Kenya, have his birth certificate fraudulently created in Hawaii, decades before he ran for political office.
2. A half-Black, half-White child, raised by his single mom, struggled and excelled through college and one of the most prestigious law schools to be president.
I'm guessing for some people choice #2 is more difficult to believe.

Let's challenge your contentions: Usurper? - don't think so: Obama won the election by almost 1 million votes (popular vote) He also had 365 delegates to McCains 173..(might even call that a mandate...) Compared to Bush in 2000 - lost the popular vote to Gore by almost half a million & won the election due to a Supreme Court ruling that stopped a recount in FL that almost surely would have gone the way of Gore... If anything you could argue that Bush was an "usurper".. OK- "Commie Loving Bastard": Well his parents were married when he was born (so much for the bastard part); As to Commie Loving - Well there are 2,000 members of the communist party in the U.S. so you really have to go out of your way to find them; that being said if he was a real "commie" than rather than proposing a tax rate for business of something like 30% (40% less than when Nixon was in office), he might have tried for something like 98% right? Under Communism the State owns the means of production, right? News: Obama isn't even left of center. As to the legitimacy of his Hawaiin birth certificate - that argument falls into the realm of saying anything because it supports your prejudiced point of view. The state of Hawaii has repeatedly validated his certificate but that isn't enough for you is it? You can hurl insults all you want but facts are something you don't have. Not even evidence.. I recommend anger management and maybe lay off Fox "news" and Glenn Beck for a while...

I hope you are not an active USMC S sgt... otherwise you just committed treason. We ARE still at war you know.

USCSSgt - stop embarrassing the military with such foolish tripe.

Future Atavist:
Let's challenge your contentions:
I think the 'bastard' remark was a slang term indicating the commenters disdain for Nobama rather than a literal remark questioning his legitimacy. The 2000 registered communists (and I'm taking your info at face value) would be registered...not necessarily all that are in the country. And regarding taxation, the US currently took the lead in highest corporate taxes...(yay us). And redistribution of wealth (aka, taxing the evil rich and giving it to the poor unfortunates who won't work) falls under the communist ideology, and Nobama is all for that. And as for the popular vote vs electoral vote with Bush: we have a democratic-republic...that is how it works, so neither could be truly considered a usurper. But the kicker is claiming Nobama isn't even left of center. He is so far left of center he's about to fall off the freakin' line. I will however agree with the birther nonsense...he's in office, we can't undo what he has done the last 4 years, so move on to flushing him out of office so we can get this country on track, because he surely isn't going to take us anywhere good, and 4 more years unchecked will destroy our country.

you disgrace your country and the Corp by your comment.

Choke on it you traitor! You are a coward and do not deserve the privilege of wearing the marine uniform. You are a disgrace to the flag and should leave this great country.I served for 8 years and will not stand for these attacks against my comander in chief. God Bless The President And The United States Of America!

You can be arrested and dishonorably discharged for making such a statement, if in fact you are a serving member. How stupid can you be? It is a crime for a Marine - and it goes against everything the Marines stand for - ALWAYS LOYAL - to undermine the Commander in Chief's leadership. I hope someone who knows your true identity reports you to your chain of command. But, honesty, I doubt you're really a Marine. Probably just a pathetic wannabe. One of those losers who dresses up in his back yard and plays with Airsoft guns. Good thing you got yourself the level IV body armor for Christmas, those kiddie pellets can sting!

you are no marine drop dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, c'mon. I served with a lot of marines in Nam, and they weren't this stupid. You on the other hand, epitomize "Jarhead".

When you discover that the word 'legitimate' means legal, you can then discover that Obama has the ONLY legitimate birth certificate that it's possible to have. The Bush Republican Patriot Act (which, admittedly, most Democrats in Congress also voted for) standardized birth certificates in the U.S. You cannot get a copy of your hospital or doctor birth certificate anymore. If you still have one, fine, but it's not legal proof of your birth. You MUST have one of the new state birth certificates for any and all legal purposes now. What your mother received from the hospital when you were born is no longer valid. It's not illegal to have one, it just serves no legal purpose.

You have some issues. I hope you are not really in the service because you really are not a nice person. A bit unstable maybe?
Commie loving bastard, where, when is it documented, or is it forged. Should the man with the highest office in the land have to show you, (assuming you have a red neck here) that which the FBI, CIA, homeland security and every opponent he's ever been up against how did they all miss it..oh I forgot it was a conspiracy from the time the egg was fertilized. Or is he the Manchurion candidate?
I think I've had it with this group.
After I go after Suzy I'm out. Peace.

Are you so far gone that you believe that our president, President Obama, would allow "the Russians" to control our missile defense system? Wow. You people's eyes must be twirling around in your heads from being so freaking racist. It's a wonder you white folks haven't stroked out with all this burning hatred for a man of color.
Well, get medicated, because President Obama is on his way to a solid second term as President of the United States and Leader of the Free World. USA! USA!! USA!!!

Actually what he stated that he would have more flexibility over was to negotiate a Non-Proliferation agreement. That means he could work with Russia to eliminate more arms and threats from and to BOTH sides. Or do you think we were better off in the days when we all ducked under our desks and cried in fear of being annihilated?

I only hope that the president has his people monitor these threads and that way he could collect these nuts in the middle of the night and ship them down to Gitmo for the next 5 years. This country would be a much better place without the racist birthers!

Amen Grace!!!

Monster, you're wasting your energy....these are the same people that would elect Donald Trump.

Sounds right to me!

I'll agree that the birther nonsense is ridiculous and moot at this point, but to use the term 'unpatriotic' when you aren't referring to the current joke residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic. The ultra-wealthy believe they own what they earn and that it shouldn't be taken from them and redistributed to a growing group of lazy ingrates who think they are entitled to what others work for. Hopefully our democratic-republic (which is what we have, not a democracy) and economy will survive the destruction inflicted on us by the unqualified, socialist twit these past 4 years...if he is reelected by the dumb-masses, I fear it very well may not.

So is President Obama

Amen brother. GW is proof of that.

As a socialist myself, Obama is NOT a socialist. Far from it, unfortunately.

He's proven his disdain for Christianity?? Really?? He's denounced Jesus Christ?? Wow, I missed that.

Wow Luke, come up for air or loosen up that tin foil hat of yours, you're spewing nothing but vitriolic nonsense.

HOW... don't just spout, present the arguement!
HOW has he proven his love for the Muslim Brotherhood? By killing Bin Laden?
HOW has he proven his disdain for christianity? By attending National Day of Prayer?
How is he not cut out for the job? By trying to broker peace in Congress? By passing a national health care plan? By saving GM? Facts Dude, Facts... let's see 'em!

Conservative Politics, 'Low-Effort' Thinking Linked In New Study (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/07/conservative-politics-low-effort-thinking_n_1410448.html)

"That explains why...."

They're being eaten alive by their vitriolic resentment and gullibility. Bless their hearts...

Go get a life, you. You just cannot stand the fact that there is a very brilliant black man in the white house that was designed and built by another black man. A black man is in "your" "white house", and you can go drink the ocean for all I care.

Jealousy will kill you one day.

How about this: Why would ANY woman in the first world, travel to a poor nation, with sub-standard natal care, poor hygine conditions, and no protection for citizens, leave their home country to bring a child into the world?
Why not just hire a midwife if you're a hippie, rather than try to find passage all the way to Africa?
jwagz... obviously you don't understand either motherhood OR pregnancy.

Conservative Politics, 'Low-Effort' Thinking Linked In New Study (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/07/conservative-politics-low-effort-thinking_n_1410448.html)

"That explains why...."

Did you happen to notice what the Democratic congress was doing the last 2 years of Bush's term? Look it up...it might answer your comment of..."I can't see much he (Obama) has done wrong." He's just the 'front man'. The crippling was already in progress from congress, when he took over.

Not true.

Uh, wrong. POTUS was elected by a margin larger than the % of ALL Black Americans. LOTS of non-Blacks voted for him, and many Blacks did NO vote for him.

And 99.9% of republicans and those who support republicans are white. Some of you really need some good education, because you sound like a half-baked semi-illiterate.

Wow 80%. So let's do the math: Obama received 69,498,516 votes in the 2008 election. The US has an African American (AA) population of 42 million so if EVERY Afircan American (men, women & children) voted for Obama that's only 60% of the his vote total. So Claire, and at least 26 million other Americans must have voted for Obama also.

And, the Obama-lovers are brain dead MSNBC-ers' (along with the main stream news outlets).

I could not believe it either that this was coming from New Jersey. I hope this madness does not extend to New York.

Disgusting...talk about 'haters'. This administration is dividing our country...two very different views of what our founders envisioned.

Are you talking about George Sorros's Move On? Now, that is a scary thought. He only wants the complete destruction of our capitalist society...hmmmmmmmmmm.

That's the American Dream, Judith. What is happening to our country? Why is our thinking changing? It has always been..."work hard and success will come". All this class envy has never been 'who we are'.

Are you actually trying to argue that everybody would have considered him "white" if he had simply said he was white? You and everyone else knows that the tradition in this country is to call a child "black" if at least one of his or her parents is black. I concede that that doesn't make sense, and it is probably rooted in racism, but that is the way it is. And by the way, what makes someone "black" in your view? Do all four grandparents need to be black? What if one of those grandparents is half black? Does this need to be so complicated? What difference does it make?

Ummmm, really? I know that if you look black in this country, then you ARE black. Wasn't it if you have 1/4 of black blood, that your black? How is it that people feel so, secure ranting on web-sites, but hide in public? How many of you have ever looked up the facts on any of these claims. You talked about people being honorable, tell me who has been in office that all agreed on? No one. So buck up people, it is what it is. As it shall be for another 4 years.

Unbelievable!!! Where to start.
First, a president is vetted by his party. The DNC was to have vetted Obama before putting him on the ballot. Second, just because someone dislikes Obama, that does not mean he/she is racist. It may possibly mean that he/she does not like his policies. I am one of those. If he stood for true fiscal conservative and constitutional values, he would get my vote.
Thirdly, has anyone questioned why it took him so long to even produce a birth certificate? He still has not released his school transcripts. How simple could that be. So instead of blindly accepting things for face value, how about asking questions and demanding answers instead of following like little lost sheep!!

John...where to start is right! Disliking Obama for Politics is one thing, disliking him because "he has proven his hatred for Christianity" "is a Muslim" "is not a citizen" etc...maybe these observations doesn't make someone a racists, just stupid.
Never have we asked the President of the United States to produce a birth certificate. Sorry, but you are burying your head in the sand if you think this has nothing to do with race.

John... it took so long to present the cert because:
1) It should never have been requested to begin with, and Mr. Obama was fighting the unfairness of the request.
2) Hawaii did not keep original paper certificates, they kept micro fische copies. So there WAS no original to present... which BTW explains why the presentations have been electronic -- not paper -- until recently
3) A hard copy of the micro fische had to be printed, authenticated and certified before it could be presented for public viewing.

Not all states keep records in the same manner, and for a state with limited 'storage space' ie a series of small municipalities across several islands, micro fische and electronic records make far more sense.

Because the topic is Obama and his legitimacy, Anthony...not Romney. But, the answer to your question is obvious if you know the the backgrounds of both men. Romney has proven himself with the projects and successes he has had in business and management. Obama has not...look into his background. He is an excellent speaker, but his thinking is so far left. He's speaks out of both sides of his mouth...tells us what we want or need to hear, then does what any socialized-minded president would do. That is not what our country needs in order to survive and remain the greatest in the world.

jwagz, so if Mitt becomes President he shouldn't have to produce his birth certificate because 'he's proven himself'??? Okay...NOW I understand the critiera... Do you people HEAR YOURSELF???Guess what??? Barack Obama is your President, elected by a democratic society... and my money says he'll be your President for the next 5 years.

Uh, Rosey...EVERYONE should prove their citizenship to be president...honestly! Step back and take a look at what you are posting. Libs are so quick to blast everyone else. Did anyone post that they didn't think Romney should provide his birth certificate? What nonsense...I could care less about the birth certificate, at this point. It's the transformation of our country into something we don't recognize any longer. As long as we think in a Socialistic manner, we will never regain the Amercian Dream.

The SOB has spent millions to cover up his tracks ... makes no difference ... he had only one parent that was a US Citizen ... that alone disquallifies him to be president !

You only need one parent to be a citizen. Actually, you only need to born on US soil to be a citizen. Obama has his paperwork in order. Move on with your lives.

Yes, TJC, only one of President Obama's parents was a US Citizen. So what?

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that virtually everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen. This decision established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. .... A 2010 review of the history of the Citizenship Clause notes that the Wong Kim Ark decision held that the guarantee of birthright citizenship "applies to children of foreigners present on American soil" ... ."

you're a real sharp cookie, TJC. no question about it. I didn't realize Obama had Millions at his disposal to "cover up" - what exactly was it he was covering up again?
He's an "Impostor?" So are you saying he's not the real Obama? Wow! You really have uncovered quite a conspiracy. If you're not either a Crime Scene Investigator or an FBI Anaylist, then you've missed your true calling - I would highly encourage you to pursue a career in Detective work of some fashion... Oh, you will at least have to get your GED first.

Do you know what the Tea Party represents? Smaller government and lower taxes. How can that be bad? Everyone should want that. Our governemnt grows bigger and bigger with every election. It's not good for our survivial, and it definitely is not sustainable. But, I fear that is truly what this administration is counting on. Bringing down Capitalism. And, for what...a Socialist system...like the ones that are failing all over the world? Seems like crazy thinking to me, but somehow, we have been educated (brainwashed) to think it's the right way to go. This has NOTHING to do with color of skin...only choice of ideologies.

Superjew...not at all! And, I agree with you...firstly, I am a registered Democrat who has finally taken off my liberal hat, and studied the other side. I do believe that there are both big govt. Dems and Repub. But...I don't think either of them are correct. Big govt. means wasteful spending of our hard earned tax money. I, for one...have learned that I make better choices of what to do with my money, than the govt. ever can. I want lower taxes so that the govt. doesn't take my money and squander it. They do it all the time! Most govt. agencies MUST spend all of their money, whether they need to or not, in order to get a budget increase for the following year. That's crazy!! The more money we give our Congress, the more they waste it! Do you not see that!?! And...today's Rebup's are not fascists. Fascists want an elite supreme ruler with a single party. Not at all what a conservative wants. They want all people to work hard, be responsible for their own successes, less govt to take away our freedoms.

No...half are far-left, socialist/ marxist lib, MSNBC-watchers (with alot of help from the main stream media, also).

Using "placate" doesn't make you sound smart if you say "POUTS" and "eligable" first.

Did you ever think, after reading his precepts in the the NT, that JC might be what you term a "socialist"?

The Rethuglicants' and the birthers' American Dream is a nightmare for everyone else.

There is absolutely nothing President Obama can do to prove anything to anyone who is not interested in accepting the proof. And I'm not entirely sure you can prove to me that you know what socialism is. If you can prove it, I promise I'll accept it.

JWAGZ wears a tin foil hat and has a bible that he thumps heavily on hand and a gun in the other.

His ilk are exactly the kind of people who abuse the constitution to back up their idiotic thinking.

I would bet JWAGZ is the type of person to go into a Unitarian church or other liberal hang out and start blasting them with a shotgun, that or fly a small plane into an IRS building.

Watch out for the spate of right wing terrorism in the following months when Obama gets re-elected this November. These "people" (If you can call them that) claim they love America, but most Americans, if they aren't white and from the deep south, they hate.

Rosey,

You are forgetting that most of these birthers will not believe any fact you show them. They simply will not accept any facts that contradicts what they believe in. This is sad because there is not much you can do about them. The real problem lies with those that manipulates them for their own political use. ie/ politicians. They will intentionally hint that the possibility could exist just to excite the birthers, namely to get them to contribute to their political campaigns.

Oh...Superjew...you couldn't be farther from the facts. You didn't hit one thing correctly to try and describe me. I love my country...not like most libs who blame it for all the wrongs of the world. And, Rosey...the fact that you continue to call everyone who doesn't agree with you a 'name' proves one of the major differences between the way you think and the way I do. You are in denial if you think we are not evolving into to a Euro-style socialist country. We've been head that way for 75 yrs. or more. We're just getting there faster, with this administrion, in charge. And with taxes...progressive liberals use the word FAIR to hide the fact that they want the top 50% of income earners to give their wealth to the lower 50%. To me, that is socialism. And, the ones in power, (Sorros & his buddies) will be the only ones who have the wealth. It won't even be available to those who work hard to succeed. in reality, if we are FAIR in this country, we are all equal and everyone should pay the same percentage. Crazy thinking about some of the meanings of words...fair doesn't really mean fair, any longer. And...I could care less if Obama has a legitimate birth certificate. What I care about? That we no longer have the same values as our ancestors. Work hard and you will be successful...love our country...respect everyone as we are all equal in this country. You need to get beyond your own rhetoric!

And Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen because he was born in Hawaii, which became a state before he was born and therefore is and was U.S. soil. Even children of undocumented workers are considered to be U.S. citizens if they were born on U.S. soil -- even in the middle of the desert with no doctor around.

My original birth certificate, filed in the County Records office of the County of Los Angeles in 1941 is not available to me or to anyone else. It may or may not even exist. What is available to everyone is a microfiche record which, because it is so old, is printed out with white lettering on a gray/charcoal background. The hard-copy is stamped or embossed by the County to prove its authenticity. Nobody can present "original" hard copies on the internet and they certainly can't allow them to be circulated.

The same is true of death certificates. There is only one original that is signed by the attending physician. That resides in the state or county records. People can obtain certified copies of death certificates. But they are copies, with official stamps of them -- not the original. That is the best anyone can do and those certified copies are accepted in the courts. Heck, the courts will even accept photocopies of the copy which includes a copy of the official stamp. It's obvious birthers willfully are distorting the availability of "originals". That's what happens when your attorney bought his/her license to practice from an online school.

I find if funny that the far right equates "Socialism" with evil or just anit-American values. It was a social program that lead to the discovery of the new world, It was social programs that first colonized this country, When the founding fathers set up this government they mandated 2 socialist programs, education and the US Post Office. They saw the wisdom in providing some social programs to keep the country moving forward. The far right wants to do away with both and all other social programs. If anything they are being anti-American. Anything to extreme is bad and will lead to disaster. We've seen in other countries moving too far to the left fail and those that move too far to the right fail. If anything is anti-American it is extremism left and right.

Socialism is falling left & right...check out what's happening in Europe. And, the countries you have cited that are succeeding, are small in comparison. There is NO COMPARISON to the situation we have. And, everyone I know is more than willing to give up any social program, if we can save the country. In most cases, that 15% tax rate is from investment money. Money that they earned previously and have already paid their 25-35% on, so they are in many cases...paying almost double. And...I WISH that I was able to build an elevator in my $12 million home. That would mean that I had worked hard...made my wealth...and had succeeded in attaining the Amercian Dream. The dream that has brought almost every immigrant to our country, in the first place.

Affordable health care is not where our Obamacare has led us. The idea is a great one...and in a fantasy world, every President would want that! But to think that eventually, the progressive movement's goal is for everyone to have free health care is simply not realistic or sustainable. We are already 16 trillion dollars in debt. Where will this money come from?? It just plain NOT possible. And, the more the govt. does for us, the more dependent we become as a nation. It's the mentality that..."only the govt. can do this for us"...rather than the individual drive to succeed, work hard and do for ourselves. The more dependent we become on Govt'., the more we move towards Socialism and the Amercian Dream drifts away. Soon, we expect them to do everything. The Amercian dream was to come to this great country...get a job, work hard, be able to have a family, buy a house, buy what you need. Now, we want the Govt. to provide it all for us...we are losing 'WHO WE ARE'.

Not at all, Fred...read the Constitution. That is one of the things that is a GIVEN. Protection of freedoms, the homeland; Not free healthcare.

Oh ok so the constitution says we cant have a national healthcare program?

Correct...no where does it say we are entitled to health care. NO WHERE!

That is not my question.

Jim...you are so right. But, look what we've got now...stimulus pkg of waste, continuous high unemployment, highest gas prices ever, first down-grading of the S & P ever, highest increase in debt of any president, most massive deficit ever, a President who cannot negotiate, a President who says one thing and does the opposite, diminished suppport for Israel, tackled Healthcare and passed it in the dark of night when he should have been tackling the economy, refusal to take on the entitlement problem that is unsustainable, ill-advised energy policy, appointments of some extreme advisors, constant apologies to other countries, thumbing his nose to our allies while giving up the missile defense system in Europe, weakness with Iran, and last but not least...the most divisive & partisan president we have ever had!

Jwagz, think of Obama, as your punishment for supporting Bush. You put in a guy who had no interest in governing effectively, he was an ideologue, and his ideology failed when faced with reality.

Iraq would become a becon of democracy and other Middle Eastern countries would fall like dominoes, remember that? While the middle east has overthrown some governments, none of it had to do with the Iraq war, that was a giant waste of tax dollars and lives.

George W Bush, when he passed his tax cuts said that the lower revenue from lower spending would serve as a "fiscal straight jacket" on congress. He then proceeded to not veto a single spending bill from the Republican congress, and earmarks exploded during his tenure as a result.

Bridge to no-where, that was put into a highway spending bill by a Republican Senator from Alaska.

You clearly are not grounded in reality, I would suspect you were trolling us if it wasn't for the fact that there really are some Americans who think that way. Its just such an odd way of looking at the world, with extreme arrogance and ignorance.

Currently, I see the Republican party learning absolutely NOTHING from the failures under George W Bush. They want to continue lowering taxes, which didn't really work at doing anything but exploding the debt, they want America in a perpetual state of war, they don't believe in science and try to pass creationism and make climate change into a political issue. Its a dying party pretty much.

Sorry, Superjew, ole Buddy! I told you I'm a registered Dem...Gore was my guy. But...I've 'seen the light'. But, there's no denying it...Obama has been a disaster! As I stated earlier, this is what we've gotten from him: stimulus pkg of waste, continuous high unemployment, highest gas prices ever, first down-grading of the S & P ever, highest increase in debt of any president, most massive deficit ever, a President who cannot negotiate, a President who says one thing and does the opposite, diminished suppport for Israel, tackled Healthcare and passed it in the dark of night when he should have been tackling the economy, refusal to take on the entitlement problem that is unsustainable, ill-advised energy policy, appointments of some extreme advisors, constant apologies to other countries, thumbing his nose to our allies while giving up the missile defense system in Europe, weakness with Iran, and last but not least...the most divisive & partisan president we have ever had!

We'll have to wait & see, but the mid-terms of 2010 proved that the country had enough of progressive liberalism. In my opinion, it's the current Dem's who are the lost party.

Your logic is so profound. Blather, blather.

Because there is really no difference between the democrats and republicans. They both have their role to play and as long as it produces the desired result of the puppet masters then the goal is achieved. The appearance of a difference between the dem's and rep. are merely for show, but in reality they are all part of the same tyrannical party system. No difference but just enough to keep throwing morsals at you to feed off of and keep you blinded to what is really going on.

Ed... stop. just stop.

You are spreading falsehoods. plain and simple.

there is nothing else to say to you or anyone spouting this garbage.

What is so funny is that people think that the CIA, FBI and Homeland Security all missed the fact that his birth certificate wasn't valid. How could they have found Osama, maybe it wasn't really him, just a floaty with rocks inside???
Boy, what does that say for the Repubs that were in office at the time?
To the bonehead that accused OUR president of being a Muslim, socialist and whatever nonsense.......really. Are you saying Pres. Obama made this mess all by himself? Why should someone who earns minimum wage pay the same amount of taxes as someone who has millions or billions? That type of math so does not work.
I hope for your sake you never have a loved fall ill, and they need any type of care but for whatever reason can't pay it, I'll bet you'll be wishing for free health care then.
Maybe, you can go over seas for care, or course your plane ticket might be expensive....
You people are scary,

Where there is smoke there is usually fire; however, in this instance there is so much smoke that people will succumbt to asphyxiation before suffering any first degree burns. All we "birthers" want is our day in court and to try to resolve this through peaceful means. If you think we're nut-jobs, wait until you see the real nut-jobs come out of the woodwork when they will not be able to accept all these unwarranted smack-downs from the courts and decide to take matters into their own hands.

Enough of the racist card. Just becasue this Preisdent is black doesn't mean he is not accountable. If you want to use all this as a precedent then let's have Fidel Castro or Chavez appear on the Democratic ballot and then apply your same arguments as to why no one should challenge it.

Obfiscation. By resorting to hyperbole you reveal yourself as being the one wanting to present a fantastic argument. All we want is our day in court to present the evidence. If Arpaio's evidence is false then it must either be doctored to make the case or these people bringing it before the courts are insincere in their efforts. In the first instance if documents are being falsified to make a case then it is Arpaio and all his crew that will be subject to prosecution for tampering with evidence. I guess he's willing to take that chance. In the second instance, if these people are not genuine in the efforts to pursue this then it can easily be smacked down in court and then all you on the Left can gloat to your heart's content with this definitive action that will bring all this to a close.

They need to be slapped down? What about a person who lies and kills God's most innocent babies and puts into LAW that these babies are to suffer and die with no medical help? Hitler didn't think the JEWS were human or had rights. So what makes Obama any different thinking late term aborted babies are not human and don't deserve rights? It is sad so many confuse evil for good and good for evil.

This is a man you want running our country? It's very easy Obama show us the proof that you are a citizen. What do you have to hide that you also hide your school records. So many have sadly drank the Kool AID and I am fearful of what is to come if he is re-elected.... Do yourself a favor read the NDAA that Obama just enacted maybe that will open your eyes.

Love to, but the courts won't allow us to present evidence and keep throwing the issue out on technicalities. If this is such a slam dunk from the position of the Left then why all the push-back. If you truly want to show that us birthers have no veracity to our claims then let us have our day in court and let us fall flat on our faces of our own volition.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". -John F. Kennedy

Why do I have to prove that the President of the United States of America is the President. I think there are far smarter and better informed persons then I who vet such things.

and your assertion that the clause in the Constitution about natural born citizen, means both parents have to be born in America, well... you are very very wrong.

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

I won't even justify the joke that happened in Arizona....

just read this, hardly a liberal rag.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

now can we move on....

you need to add more foil to your hat...

and its YOUR President Obama. Show some respect for the office, and for your country.

and that's the thing, do you think so little of your own beloved country that you could even think that we'd elect and allow to be elected someone that is not qualified to hold the highest office in the land.

I love my country. I love our laws, and I believe in them, and if you can't what do you have.

and by the way, Kenya has a GNP of close to 71 Billion US$. hardly a 'banana republic' as you call it.

You're right. It's a group think mentality.

You and the birthers are the cult of the tinfoil hats. In case you don't know what that means, "Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals."

Right-On Jack Wagon You Forgot The Speech About His Father Fought In WWII, Yikeess, Now You Colored Folks From Rio Linda Ca, Obamas Father Was Born In 1936 Making Him A 5 Yr Old Vet. Liar Liar Pants On Fire. God Bless America And Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Soooooo, who is your president? Or are you president less? If so, where is your loyalty to? Can't be the US and what all those bigoted men who wrote the constitution. Have you refreshed your memory of that document lately?

He's not your President unless you vote for him? Today's Republican Party: one ignorant, furious, hateful, impotent tantrum after another. My guess of how many traffic tickets you've gotten out of? Zero.

what a bunch of nonsense this is...

You sound pretty selfish.
Despite what you may think of the man he is the President and not only does he have to deal with domestic and foreign issues, he has to deal with you people who are disrespecting him, and stalking him for every move he makes. Do you have the same stats on bush on when and where and how much was spent on his vacations?
Not playing the race card, but when your alone somewhere I want you to think about it, has there ever been this much vitriol about any other President? Have any of you seen a consistent barrage of hate directed at one person who has not done something so horrendous as trying to wipe out an entire ethnic race? The man ran for President and won...overwhelmingly. If you are so upset and angry, why don't any of you run for office; work your way up, and on the way implement the changes you think we need.
Let's see how you are attacked, let's check out your birth certificate, your academic record. He's made mistakes, but who hasn't? Did P. Bush make any?

"August 2010, Obama spent the weekend alone in Chicago for his 49th birthday bash." Yes, truly outrageous -- such squandering. Search4Laughs, do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? If staying in the White House and working 24/7/365 is your recipe for a good President, then Dubya must have made you throw up, right?

I truely don't know, but how is that particular republic doing? Are they doing better than Americans? I don't get to watch the news much, so I am genuinely curious? Yes, I know all is not well here, but beating this particular dead horse, aren't you all tired of saying this over and over? Do you think like my kid does, if they say something over and over I'll cave in. Is that what your group of people think?
I have read these posts and been astounded how many of you say it's not about race....really? Before President Obama how many of you demanded a birth certificate from the residing President? Another item I honestly don't know is, did anyone ask to see Bushes academic record? Is this something we should expect from all candidates. I really am curious. How many of you have been so worked up, that you almost broke your finger typing up replies? How many of you stated a threat to the President? How many called him Satan? Isn't there something in the bible that says "lest not judge someone unless they be judged". I may have the quote wrong, but another one people throw out is, "people in glass houses, shouldn't throw rocks".
I expect the zealots to bust out their bible and throw in their quotes, is that what Jesus did? Kinda like ,"I got a better one than you"?

Susan...how many cats do you have honey? I am furious with you for the blatant disrespect you have for women and the President. I'll be back for you!

I believe that I mentioned that I am unfamiliar with said Bible.
I believe also, that you compared Hitler to Obama in the killing of innocents. Really, he is making sure that despite the fact people are constantly trying to take down Roe v. Wade, which by the way does not resemble the original ruling. I agree that babies are innocent, but if a woman knows that there is no way to take care of the baby, or she has other plans with her life....wait a minute...I am typing and a thought occurred to me. Why, are you against abortion? If you think putting a child up for either adoption or putting the child in to social services is better. I urge you to go down to the Dept. of Social Services and volunteer for a week.

And Ed you just need to go on and shut up.
WHAT about the innocent babes that were sent off to a war, that had little to do with 9/11, he wanted vengeance. Well now he has it. Along with whole countries that hate Americans.

Ed- I have really been trying not to come back to this. I have children, I made some life decisions when I was younger that I do not regret. I guess my beef is with those who stand outside places yelling profanity to those in the building. Or the old man in my town, who instead of helping the homeless down the street, has never missed a day picketing. Or of my town with all the religious people who when they leave church, whatever the pastor, or priest or whomever is forgotten and they call their neighbors yelling at them and yes calling on Jesus to strike them down, because a tree is casting shadow on their rose bushes.
Said it once, and I came back. I respect that people are so staunch in their belief system, but I find myself saddened by these posts, these rants and mostly in human kind for the kind of vitriol that is directed at the President. Yours, mine whomever. I am going to unsubscribe. Good luck to you all.

Wow, your a smart one aren't ya!
So Ed, your a law onto your self? You have no President, so therefore don't have to follow the rules? Will we be seeing you in the future behind a compound wall with a shotgun, married to a dozen or so women and doing a retelling of the biblical text? Shouting at the police that you" don't need no stinking lawyer", you studied up on California code. You know your rights! But aha, apparently you don't cause if you did, you'd know threatening a law enforcement officer is not a wise choice. Let's also not forget you don't have to abide by said laws.
Are you an ILLEGAL?
But good luck to ya!

So you don't see the difference between a woman asking to be murdered, and a life form that has of yet no conscious thought?
Also you state that "these babes are lying in the trash can dying after having been aborted". You called the fetuses baby women. You say if it were an animals everybody would be out there people would be up in arms. Well apparently Baby women have you. I just wish all of you would stop trying to decide what to do with my va-ga-nay. I got this covered. I'm done, I think your a little weird, well lots actually. Still haven't answered about how many cats you have. I could send ours to you. He has unpleasant disposition. I know it's probably my librel Obama loving commie friends that are to blame for boom boom be evil.

My post are for my enjoyment. Too realize that those of you say you have plenty of black friends and your not a racist? Face it we ALL have prejudices, we all have a hard time trusting a black man to hang out with you and something goes missing, your telling me that no one would at the black man and suggest maybe he might have it. Thats okay were all friends. Next time that you go into a bar that is predominately white. Look for the minorites. There some wait staff that are working in the kitchen, bus boys. Ask him where is the closest exit to from where you stand next to him, bet you he knows where it is. As a person who has dealt with a cornucopia of reactions to how I look, why is my hair so soft, you don't talk like the other black people.
Your right there is no way this is you. I'm quitting this one 2. Peace People I'm out.

I just reread your opening statement, and started chuckling all over again. No, I am not heartless. I just believe in a woman's right to choose. If giving up a child is the only option, why are there so many babies from foreign countries. Do we need to take on other peoples children as well as debt. Have you actually ever crunched the numbers of homeless children, Hotel/motel children? How often to do you go down to any homeless shelter and volunteer? Have you ever looked into the eyes of a homeless person and asked their story? Are you so high and mighty that you too can't see "The Truth". Why are you so worried about everyone else business? Is there nothing else to occupy your time.
He's President!
He's made some really good choices and yes some bad.
Gee, has any other President made errors, or thought he was doing good for the people, but it came back and bit him in the ass.
Whom do you think would make a good President?
Ed, I have a feeling you'll be coming back at me with your less than sound vitriol, but consider this...how many of you have the balls and/or Tatas to run for President your
self? How many of you are going to come back with some silly ass comment about why your not in office?
Susan, really how many cats do you have...huh baby woman?

It's sort of amusing. At 12:57 you're done debating with stupid people. At 1:53 you're debating again. "I'm not debating," you'll say, "I'm just making an observation." Yep, just makin' an ob-ser-va-tion. Kinda makes you wonder whether ALL life, has consciousness or not [ which, by the way, you state as a fact, not as an opinion. If it's a fact, you should be able to back it up with something more than "Well, I think...." ]

All of the sudden I get a bunch of posts popping up in my e-mail. I'm baack...... again that is my choice, where is the evidence that all life have a consciousness? I'm being asked for evidence, yet are you willing to show me yours? I'm not debating Matthew,you smart ass I am stating a belief I believe to be true. Just like you believe in whatever it is you believe.
To the supreme IDIOT who thinks I am blasé about killing children....please go to some third world country where children are starving and malnourished, how many of them do you think are adopted? Or have you adopted 1already?
Using abortion as a form of birth control is wrong on any level, just as some passer by getting to decide what I do with my body. Susan what scares the "jeepers" out of me, is that you really are calling them "baby women", really? Does that even sound odd to anyone else? Or the statement of "the pain and torture the baby women feel after they have been aborted, laying in a trash can?" yes, I know the quote is not word for word. Beyond that, huh.......? I realize you believe you are speaking up in support of all women (and of course baby women), in fact are hurting the case. Your logic is questionable, the nickname is ridiculous and you seem to like comparing apples to oranges.
I really don't need or want a reply, I'm sure they will come anyway, but please stay away from my children with your beliefs, ie: nonsense. I want them to believe in Santa as long as possible.

Ok, that post Matthew was pretty funny.
Your right he is suspiciously quiet about his navel.....hmmmmmm. I wonder what conspiracy is being connected to the story behind the naval!
Naval gate!!!

It's all good. I really wish you knew me because I honestly think you and I would get along pretty well, even if we don't agree on everything. The trouble with these posts is that you can't really emote. So things come off in ways that are not intended.