Pennington Man Struck and Killed by Amtrak Train Saturday
The man was trespassing on the tracks, according to Amtrak.
A 20-year-old man was struck and killed by an Amtrak train in Edison near the station Saturday afternoon, according to officials.
David Sobel, of Pennington, was killed in the crash, said NJ Transit spokeswoman Nancy Snyder.
Amtrak train #87 was traveling from New York to Richmond, Va. when the train struck Sobel at 3:49 p.m., said Amtrak spokeswoman Vernae Graham. He was trespassing on the tracks.
There were 215 passengers on the train and there were no injuries to them or the crew, Graham said. The crash led to major delays on the Northeast Corridor line.
Snyder said the investigation into the crash is ongoing.
This article was originally published at 5:30 p.m. Saturday, and updated at 2:25 p.m. Tuesday.
Sal
1:53 am on Sunday, July 29, 2012
I wonder why the reported words it as 'train struck passenger" instead of just saying brain dead dummy walks in front of train? The train certainly did not leave the tracks and go after the man. Instead it was the man that struck the train by walking across the tracks and not looking or even hearing the train.
Domino Child
10:59 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
the man killed on the tracks was my best friend. He was a brilliant person with a wonderful and caring personality. Obviously, this was a suicide and you are the one who is brain dead!!! Do you have no compassion for people in pain? What if it was your family member or friend? May God be your judge when you finally die and rot away from this impure world. People like "SAL" are disgustingly despicable! You are rude and have no idea what his family has suffered through this loss. He is at peace with God now. Please reevaluate what you commented because it is extremely hurtful to all of those who loved this man! When your time finally comes and God is your judge I hope that you are reminded of the cruelness that you brought to this world.
Matthew Cable
7:03 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
Dear Sal - having known Dave quite well in high school, I can say not only is your comment horribly insensitive towards his grieving family and selfish of you to say, but also completely untrue. Far from being a "brain dead dummy," he was the smartest kid in my US history class and an incredible thinker in general. Please don't insult people's memory when you have no idea what you are talking about.
-Matthew Cable
BP
4:24 am on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Things a REAL railroad Operation Lifesaver (OL) group would ask!!!
1. Why are all OL directors handpuppets of the railroad or government only giving lip service safety messages?
2. Why nothing is ever mentioned by OL that would cost the railroads a penny on the obviously missing safety equipment and track maintenance work?
3. Where are the crossing safety signals for the trains going too fast with no brakes or steering at 1,000s of crossings?
4. Where are the track video monitors for the trains going too fast with no brakes or steering to get the train stopped IN TIME?
5. Why aren't railroads paying at least half for crossing signals because it's their trains going too fast with no brakes or steering while paying the so-called RR directors millions a year.
6. Why the crossing humps trapping big trucks aren't required to be removed?
7. Why the crossing surfaces aren't wider where if a vehicle fish tails on slick road and is trapped at the edge of the crossing surface trap?
8. Why the train cabs aren't required to be lit up like a Christmas tree with emergency vehicle light bars? LOOK AND SEE!!
9. Why the front of trains aren't required to have air bags or something to soften impacts?
10. Why trains don't have better braking systems? OLIs message now shows train brakes obviously suck.
BP
4:24 am on Sunday, July 29, 2012
11. Why there are no bidding invitations on the obviously overcharged crossing projects the tax-payers pay the railroads for. $10,000 just to get the equipment to the sight. TRUCKED IN.
12. Why trains are allowed to run in the fog?
13. Why the crossings aren't lit up so drivers can see the black rail cars across the tracks at night?
14. Why railroads remove and steal signals we paid for on closed re-worked crossings?
15. Why $$$millions$$$ of the rail safety budget we pay in is wasted on needless reworks at crossings preventing signals where needed?
16. Why the railroad isn't required to de-ice crossings before they roll the trains?
17. Why the railroad isn't required to raise their overpasses so big trucks can get under them? The railroad wants to double stack and our road overpasses are too low---no problem WE PAY MILLIONS.
18. Why drug/alcohol tests aren't done on rail crews at crossing/pedestrian collisions?
19. Why railroads are allowed to get off with the train black box , signal black box (if crossing signals are present), and cab video at crossing/pedestrian collisions?
20. Why the fact is hidden that trains kill a few thousand people in 100 million train miles when regular drivers have like ONE death?
BP
4:24 am on Sunday, July 29, 2012
21.Why Amtrak passengers aren't required to look at the despicable shape of the crossings before they board the trains?
22.Why train horns aren't blown at private crossings till the last second freezing drivers?
23.Why the railroads track lights can't be at a crossing?
24 .Why railroads need track lights and civilians don't?
WAITING FOR OLI/OLI.CA response.
Dan F
7:11 am on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Just like with airline safety, they weigh the cost of implementing safety measures against the number of lives it can be expected to save. $100 million to put something in place that may save one life in the next 10 years? Not going to happen. But the points you list were a very educational read for me.
BP
8:22 am on Sunday, July 29, 2012
If Operation Lifesaver we pay a couple million a year for was a drug ---They would be re-called real quick. They have done their evil doer us for 40 years now.
The movie fight club in the plane scene has the cheaper to kill them formula. Amtrak had bodies laying all over the country yesterday. Illinois, Missouri, California, Washington State.
Like here the clueless reporter goes to the Amtrak talkin head probably 5 states away and wouldn't have a clue and prints"""when the train struck a trespasser""" which is jury tampering. Ashley Peskoe put the PROOF of trespassing or remove the statement. Falling off the platform is not trespassing but negligient homicide on the railroads part for not having proper fencing.
John Romano
9:24 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
....technically....any person that is on the Amtrak R.O.W. that is not an Amtrak employee...or...the employee of another railroad such as CSX which has running rights on Amtrak rails...IS...a trespasser.
BP
11:22 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Technically John Romano the CEO of CSX cashed out on $6 million in stock and bought a $2.3 million second house last month. I bet that house is in a no trespassing neighborhood but still has a security system. What do you think about that technically??
Patrick
10:49 am on Sunday, July 29, 2012
These are normally Suicides. In years past Hamilton Station saw about one a month. So while I'm all for railroad safety,The NE Corridor line is elevated from roads and there is never a reason to be anywhere near its tracks.
so I'm not sure what list BP is quoting from and what part of the country, almost every point is irrelevant in New Jersey.
Perhaps the bigger question is, why would someone be so distraught to take their own life, and what can we do to make that life livable. I'll be thinking about those that are left behind.
BP
7:29 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
The question would be how anyone can be so brain dead to take the killer railroads suicide story as fact??? The railroad cops are under a train themselves or fired if they don't give the script to the media as written for them. If this track is so elevated how does a person get on the tracks? Where is the report of the fence climbed, the security cameras bagged, and the track security guard kicked in the nut sack??? Where are the real witness statements?
Patrick
12:33 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
Look. I ride my bike to the train... There was a suicide on the tracks, and even after the fire dept. cleaned off he the platform there was body parts on my bike. Amtrak has put up signs for suicide prevention all over the station. Thing is... no matter what fence or whatever, if someone wants to kill themselves they will. and a train has become an easy out. so... lets look to prevention, not blame here. I know these are suicides, cause some idiot at NJTransit released a track video to youtube... and was fired.
Mr Bill
1:53 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Concerning the braking safety issues. The laws of physics are such that you're never going to quickly stop thousands of tons speeding down to thin metal rails.
BP
7:40 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Sooo how do they stop jets on a little bitty ship? How do they stop race cars at the end of a short course? How do they keep space ships from burning up when they come back? The metal rails have surfaces around them ---the trains have hundreds of square feet under them to have different brakes like dozens of rubber tires locking up on black top between the tracks??? This is 2012 not 1860 by the way.
John Romano
10:00 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
....some pertinent info:
.....a typical freight train traveling at 55mph......or...a typical passenger train traveling at 80 mph (ie: Amtrak)....each need a minimum of a mile to stop. if a person wanders on to the tracks in the path of an oncoming train ....and the engineer "dynamites" the train (R.R. term for emergency brake application) there is still little chance that the train will stop in time. And..applying brakes in emergency can cause a major derailment...so it's a last resort maneuver.
...it helps to look at a train as if it's a vehicle that's driving on ice...and you'll get a better picture of its stopping capabilities. A car with rubber wheels on asphalt...has a .75 friction coefficient between rubber and road. A train...on dry track...with steel wheel to steel rail contact....has a friction coefficient of .25. Add in the fact that a train wheel has an area of contact with the rail...only the size of a dime....and you'll get a better picture why you should never be anywhere in front of a moving train.
BP
11:33 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
So John Romano each railcar and engine are running on 40 cents worth of brakes? Sounds like they have mechanical problems and need to be grounded.
Tommy two shoes
6:38 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Really? I crossed those very tracks from age 13 to age 16 everyday to go to school, four avenues in which to die twice a day. You really are stupid ignorant or Suicidal to let an obvious danger to take your life in that manner. The circle of life cannot be altered by any law, safety device, or Political debate. Get over yourself!
BP
7:47 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
So your saying the track security sucks??? You reckon all these electric lines running the trains never get shorted to the tracks electrifying people? Reckon the suction of a 90 mph train won't suck you right into it? Reckon NOBODY ever falls/pushed etc.. off the improper made platforms? Reckon nobody ever misses a step getting on the train and falls between the platform and train? Reckon nobody ever gets hung up in the train doors and are smacked by outside poles,signs,etc. too close to the track?
Billy
3:00 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
I do not see what you are arguing BP. There is no trespassing onto the train tracks and this man decided to go onto them. You can not apply different security measures when the most simplest ones are not followed. He was not supposed to be there so it is 100% his fault plain and simple.
John Romano
6:49 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
...it seems...BP is "arguing" because he's apparently got some form of personal beef with the railroads and is throwing one empty 'fact' after another on the table. No matter how safe you make a mode of transport, or the roads, rails, tunnels or skies in which they travel.......stupidity can, and will, raise its head to get someone injured or killed
William Y
6:57 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
Me thinks BP is short CSX stock and is trying to incite a rapid decline. Either that or is a disgruntled former employee.
Joe R
9:26 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
BP is raising some valid points and data. People who are critizing him seem to be saying things are just peachy keen perfect, everything's as good as it gets regarding trains and rail safety, there's no room for improvement. And it's all the fault of stupid people so let's not do anything to improve rail safety. A few years ago CSX was cited and fined for poor maintenance on rail lines causing a fatal accident. CSX does have a poor overall record regarding maintenance; it cuts maintenance expenses and then puts the public and its employees at risk.
Joe R
9:32 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
David Cay Johnston's book, FREE LUNCH, details how CSX rips off the public after it manages to kill people from its lack of maintenance of the rails:
CSX is the railroad company formerly managed by John Snow, who went on to become Bush’s treasury secretary. Snow was praised for saving the company $2.4 billion by cutting costs on maintenance. The results were predictably deadly. Johnston follows the story of one woman, Angelica Palank, whose husband was killed when the Amtrak train he was riding crashed due to a faulty switch that CSX was responsible for maintaining. The switch was held together with nothing but a rusty nail.
Patrick
9:51 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
there are NO CSX trains that run past Edison station.
BP
3:43 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012
The head of CSX signals at the time trained me on how junk these crossing signals are. He knew of the bad switch in the Angelica Palank case but the railroad was waiting for a salvage one to come available. He did a whistle blower suit on overcharges which was like $6 million. Had another for millions and millions but the dirty Department of Justice was gagged.
BNSF lit my fuse. The BNSF killers sight was gagged by the Feds a few years ago but all the railroads operate on the cheaper to kill them practice.
Railroaded in Cooperstown by the ex-railroad David Butler cop is good too. Engineer all coked up blows through a known broken crossing signal killing some kids and the RR owner wants him to cover it up.
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/national/deathonthetracks_index.html
http://www.insiderexclusive.com/show-content/305-death-on-the-tracks-bnsf-railroads-24-million-dollar-cover-up-part-i.html
John Romano
9:46 am on Monday, July 30, 2012
...BP..it appears.... is raising completely useless information as a way to hear his own voice. R.O.W maintenance .....rolling stock and motive power maintenance ...has zero to do with the case in point ....which is unauthorized access to railroad property resulting in injury or death. He's randomly railing at a corporate machine. ...and bringing up items such as "trains operating in fog"?
Here's what we know about trains: They are big ......they are powerful .....they operate on steel, fixed in place rails .....they don't have steering capability, and therefore go where the rails do. So... the "it's not rocket science" answer is ...don't be where the trains run.
BP
4:05 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012
Here's what we know on this article ---zip . nadda even though the author is jury tampering with the "trespassing" statement without verification of facts. The #1 no-no in reporting.
1. Amtrak has video of this --- a public paid for thing ---Where is the video???
2. The train had a event recorder of brakes,lights, horns, etc...public paid for with humongous overcharges---Where are the event recorder readings???
3. The crossing signal housing has a event recorder with gate operation ---.public paid for with humongous overcharges---Where is the crossing house readings?
4. The crossing maintainer has a hand held that would show if the automated signals were calling him/her to come fix them. Where is the hand held???
So far in four days you have someone ran down by a train somewhere around Santa Barbara.
Billy
9:22 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012
I just do not see where you are going from this. Although we do not have all the information. There is no trespassing in the area. What was this person doing trespassing. Period
BP
12:02 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNlfkvKpGL8 I see the railroad poisons vegetation turning the area into a war zone instead of cutting it by law there. So with all the traps at this station it makes more since something went wrong at the station with the trains flying through with no/sissy horns. Why is it a stop at the crossing is 15 feet away from the rails but in this trap you scratch your rear and your elbow disappears.
I also see enough scrap steel to pay for the highest tech security system ever.
Billy
2:54 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
^ I have no idea what you mean by that. But all the areas we saw allow no trespassers.
BP
11:02 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx76ZA1iwU4
1:07 pedestrian crossing track. The other video shows a huge gap in the fence ---Known problem not fixed = MURDER.
These train token toots if any through a station legal? How about 90 mph trains through a unsecured station with six inches of clearance? The open loading chutes? The mickey mouse walkways out into the tracks? All is needed is are a few tigers running loose and a snake pit.
JosephGhabourLaw
9:50 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
The other issue is the train horn noise. That can be eliminated, safely, while adding safety upgrades. It's a called a "quiet zone."
http://www.fra.dot.gov/rrs/pages/fp_1475.shtmlOX9F2sw-eNaWj9A
BP
10:30 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
The greedy private railroads want to run crew-less trains ---but wait---most states have whistle blowing laws. The cure---have the railroads Fed bed mates trump state law with Federal law on horns and buy a study. Cures the railroad problem and makes the railroads huge profits in overcharges on the mickey mouse safety features.
Why were horns needed to start with? The signals are junk. What triggers the new safety figures? The same junk signals. Are people that clueless?
BP
10:42 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
This killing wasn't turned into the National Response Center as required by law. How come?
Anonymous
5:25 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
this was actually one of my best friends and he was not brain dead. ever think it was because of depression?! he was one of the brightest kids I have met and one of the best people I've eerie met. think again before posting because you obviously don't know byway the situation was really like?
Patrick
10:43 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
I'm so sorry for your lose... I hope you and your family and friends find the comfort you need to get through this.
anonymous
12:19 am on Thursday, August 2, 2012
I am also a friend and relieved to see this. No matter what outlet of the social media I'm warmed to see this post against people who speak out of line with no context. Thank you for showing he has support no matter where this story goes.
cg
11:09 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
I was on train #87 when it happened. It was very traumatic for everyone involved. It took us half a mile to stop and realize we had just hit a person. I can still envision the front of the train after we transferred trains. It was a sight I hope to forget, but never will. Don't criticise the conductor or the victim.
bonnie
11:26 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I'd like to respond to the ignorant comments. David was my cousin. He was mentally ill and this was such a horrible tragedy for my family. He was a brilliant, kind and compassionate person. He had been struggling for a while and he just couldn't cope anymore so he ended his life. Mental illness affects millions of people. I'm sure most of you know people that have been depressed or suffered from various conditions. We will all miss David.
Domino Child
11:09 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
thank you bonnie!! Reading these comments made me angry and sick! Thank you for derailing the HATE TRAIN that these people were riding.
Greta Cuyler
4:36 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Bonnie, so sorry for your loss. Best wishes for your family.
BP
7:32 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
So this article is still jury tampering with the trespassing statement. Where are the documents for the proof in reporting requirements???
r
5:11 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012
Im a RR employee and was called out for this fatality. It happened in my territory on my clock. I was there before even the medical examiner. It was 100% a suicide. I wont disclose info on how I know this out of respect for the family but there was irrefutable evidence that this man committed suicide. It was a sad scene and my heart goes out to family and friends of this guy. But to blame the company is ridiculous. If someone wants to end their life, they will find a way and no amount of equipment can stopa horrible tragedy like this. I understand the need people feel to have n evil figure head to point the finger at but in this case alone, the co. Is not to blame
Again Im sorry to any relatives and friends to this man.
LK2011
6:51 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012
r, thank you for your compassion. It is sorely needed and much appreciated. You have a tough job.
Katelyn Dato
1:17 am on Sunday, December 9, 2012
I know this incident happened a few months back but I was on that train that struck and killed Dave. This was a horrible experience for everyone involved and I pray for the family who had to go through this. I'm glad no one else was injured on my train and the Amtrak personnel were really great and helpful. Things like this unfortunately happen in our lives, but if you are going through tough times please seek help. Committing suicide this way is quite selfish. This delayed about 8 trains. We had to jump on 2 more trains just to get to our destination. We were delayed nearly 4 hours by the end of the day. Please seek help but my prayers are with the family.
Kate