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TELL US: On Avaya Site Hearing Delay

The Four Ponds Center Associates' controversial hearing on the plan for the site carried

There was loud chatter in the vestibule of the last night that interrupted the White Castle hearing before the Planning Board.

It emanated from people gathering to weigh in on the next scheduled hearing of the hotly contested 324-unit residential development proposed for the 62-acre former on Middletown-Lincroft Road.

That hearing never happened. Due to the Planning Board’s desire to “wrap up” the White Castle hearing, it was carried to May 2, said Rick Brodsky, attorney for the site’s developer, Four Ponds Center Associates.

About half way through what ended up being a more than four-hour White Castle hearing, Planning Board officials decided to take a break and tell the residents waiting for the to go home and come back in May.

There was some grumbling as the residents disbursed.

The objectors have demonstrated many times before that they are in no hurry for the hearings to wrap up to a potential approval of the plan that they have maintained will ruin their quality of life with clogged traffic arteries, contrasting character, property value loss and a strain on the school system.

Officials have said it will be scrutinized as heavily as possible, in light of residents’ concerns, and will take a long time to get approved — maybe even years.

The plan is in conformance with all current township zoning. No variances are being sought. It also calls for roughly 68 affordable housing units, in compliance with the state’s Council on Affordable Housing (COAH) mandates.

Do you think pushing the hearing delay is good or bad news for the objectors? Do you think fighting conforming development is worth residents’ and the township’s potential legal costs? What are your thoughts? Let us know in the comments section below.

riley2012 March 09, 2012 at 12:55 PM
They need to convert it back to a golf course. And also make it into a nice banquest hall so people could rent it out to parties ans all the money they make for it, goes directly to the town's budget. We have enough houses in this town. We need something to help our town budget and lower taxes for the taxpayers.
Ron Mc March 09, 2012 at 01:30 PM
Yes, A golf course and banquet hall would probably work as well as a Swim Club run by the township!
john frunzi March 09, 2012 at 03:18 PM
Riley and Ron totally agree. Last thing we need is more housing.
Ed March 09, 2012 at 04:14 PM
The development these meetings are discussing is not the Bamm Hollow Country Club site. The development at Bamm Hollow is said to be a series of detached homes on large lots. The subject of these meetings, and this article, is the proposed development at a different site, the former Avaya campus. These are two different projects.
Elaine Van Develde (Editor) March 09, 2012 at 04:16 PM
Yes, you are correct, Ed.
Stephen Smith March 09, 2012 at 05:54 PM
So the plan is to "knock down" the office building that is there, and build houses... yikes, so we take a rateable and turn it into something that generates just more and more services that we have to pay for. Seems best to keep it an office building, price the equity in the building/land at what it is worth as it is, and get someone in there that can both employ people and not use up more town services. That's why we got the office building there to begin with, it was a valid argument then, and a valid argument now
Maria Dunn March 09, 2012 at 06:54 PM
The postponements is costing the objectors unnecessary legal fees. We have been paying our attorneys to prepare, show up and wait in the lobby. I would like to clarify one thing which in talking to Middletown residents outside of Lincroft do not realize. The Lincroft residents are not objecting because they do not want 'affordable housing' in their area. The Council on Affordable Housing requires only 68 affordable housing units. The town's proposal is to build 324 residential units. 256 units will be available at market prices. Who benefits from building the additional units? Just the builder! More police service, a new school building (the current one is at maximum capacity), more municipal services will be repercussions from the town's proposed plan. Middletown residents' taxes will be used to pay for these expenses. Just build the 68 required units and donate the rest of the land to Green Acres.
07748 March 09, 2012 at 07:39 PM
This project will certainly be approved, to think otherwise is unrealistic. The attorney for the developer, Rick Brodsky, is a former member of the Middletown Twp. Committee and a former mayor. So we have seen this committee let a methadone clinic open in town, take control of the public library and rob their coffers of monies that were dedicated for improvements at the Library, so they could balance their budget which they lost control of and send the engineering work to their crony engineer. Work that had already been done by an engineer hired by the library. We saw our school system, which is controlled by the GOP lay off 72 teachers, increase class sizes, fire an effective HS principal for political payback, all while they continue to refuse to broadcast their meetings on the township public access channel. What other dirty tricks are they trying to hide?
Gina N. March 10, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Agree with the 68 houses/green space plan. Open space in Monmouth county is vanishing. Once it is gone, there is no reversal. Bringing urban density to the county makes no sense; look at all the empty failed businesses. There are no jobs here.
Greg March 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Great story Elaine......Greg.
KS March 12, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Note to Ed, who replied to Riley2012 -- The Avaya site had indeed been a golf course in the 1970s and in part of the 1980s. It was known as "Fore Lakes". After that, it became the Lincroft site of AT&T. Riley2012 is not confusing this with the development at Bamm Hollow.
Redbanker77 May 31, 2012 at 12:23 AM
I recall it being a driving range. I AM opposed to the rediculous proposal for 324 unit plan. It's totally wrong for that area. I am ALL for the 68 house/open space plan. I am eager to move back to the area i grew up in and this would be an ideal opportunity to bring my family back to an awesome town. (although it won't be so awesome if there's a huge row house complex...the town's character will be RUINED!)
Redbanker77 May 31, 2012 at 12:53 AM
Oh BTW ... I didn't realize they said 68 "affordable housing units"...that's a joke. I'm willing to move back into Lincroft if they build decent family homes (like they've been building in Millstone and Jackson) I WON'T move back if they build a 324 unit row house complex. Fight this Lincroft!!! This will impact your property values. Lincroft will become a much less desirable place to live. Look what happened to all those "small charming" towns in North Jersey (e.g. Rahway, Linden, Woodbridge) it's all transients now.


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